Fake Grandson Tries to Steal $8000

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Well, hi y’all. It’s Trixie. I talk to scammers and pretend to be a victim to learn more about scams and to get the scammers to spend time with me instead of a real victim. The scammers you’re about to hear are running what we call the grandparent scam. It’s a widespread scam, but you don’t often get to hear a scam bait call because of the way these scammers operate. They make outbound calls using targeted lists. And when an elderly person answers the phone, they say, hi, grandma. Now even if the voice doesn’t sound exactly right, many people who do have grown grandchildren will not hang up immediately. The first scammer, pretending to be the grandson, will explain why he sounds different, and he’ll rush the call. Imagine being an elderly person who perhaps doesn’t hear very well or talk to their own grown grandchildren frequently on the phone. These scammers are very good at detecting scam baiters or problems, so there won’t be any playing games. Well, except for getting some phone numbers disconnected. Let’s go. Hello? Hello? Hey, grandma. How you been? Oh, I’m fine, honey. How are you? Oh, I’m not doing too well. I busted my nose last night. I What? Got into You busted your nose. Yes. I got into two car collision accident. This lady had cut me off. I tried to avoid her. I I had another vehicle by mistake. The good news that I have, I was able to speak with mister Charles. He’s trying to help me to get me released, but they they not let me do it for myself. Yes. They’re terrible. My nose is broken. It’s it’s a little difficult for me to speak. Where are you? Downstairs right now, and they’re holding cells. I’m in the county judge. Yes. They they supposed to transfer me to the courthouse within, like, an hour, hour and a half to go in front of the judge. But, um, the lawyer said if I could post bail, the money is gonna be reimbursed back to you in five days guaranteed, and I should be able to get rid of it. How’d you get put in jail? For what? Because my nose was bleeding. I couldn’t blow the breathalyzer test, so they they took me down to the station. Were you drinking again? No. I wasn’t drinking. It just my nose. I had blood in my mouth. I just couldn’t build a breathalyzer test. But listen, um, mister Charles, I have your cell phone number. Write write it down, please. That way, you could call him right now. He’s gonna explain a lot better a lot better. I can find Hold on. I’m sorry. Hold on one. Get a pen. Are you sure you weren’t drinking again? Oh, I swear I wasn’t drinking. It’s just the blood in my mouth in the office. It just got mad. I swear. Get get a pen and a paper, please. Hold on. Okay. Okay. His cell phone number, it’s 773 Yeah. 888 Yeah. 0 yes. 18. His name is mister Charles. Okay? Charles Reed. Call him now. He’s gonna Oh, great. Oh, great. Help he’s the lawyer that’s helping me. He’s he’s very nice and helpful for my call right now, please. He’s gonna explain how you got Did you talk to your daddy? I haven’t been able to speak with dad. This is my last phone call. I just wanna tell dad myself. Okay? Yeah. Yes, officer. Listen, this is my time is up. Please call him now for me, please, and ask him how you can help me to get me out of here. He’s gonna explain what need to be due. Okay? What need to be done? Oh, lord. I’m sorry, grandma. You know I love you so much. Please get me out of here. I love you. Okay? Call them now. They say I have to hang up. Okay? Alright. Are you gonna be able to call them now, please? Yeah. I’ll call them. I will call them right now. And and ask them what need what need to be done to get me released. Okay? I love you. Is there a case number or anything I need or just give them your day? No. Take down the case numb take down the case number. It’s 127 Okay. 127Dash28Dash113BB. And what jail are you at? They have me in in the county. They’re supposed to transfer me to the courthouse. Okay? Which county? Yes, officer. I understand. Okay. Listen. This is my Tommy. So I’m calling right now, please. He’s gonna explode every day. I just won’t get into trouble. I love you calling now. Okay. Alright. Alright. Please give me give him my name and the case number so he could tell you how you could get me released. Just listen to him and do what he says. I love you. I love you too, baby. Okay. Alright. Thank you for calling. This is Charles Reed speaking. Oh, uh, hello. My name is Anne Johnson. And, um, I just got a call from my grandson, Donnie Johnson. Donnie? Donnie. Oh, yes. Yes. Yes. Johnson. Right? Yeah. Dobby Johnson. And he gave me a case number of, um, 127Dash28Dash113BBAsInBoy. Right? Yes. I could only talk to him for a minute. He called me from the jail. And, uh Right. It sounded horrible. I’m just I know. I’m just shaking. I I don’t know what to do. I don’t know what’s happening. I don’t know anything. No. Just calm down. Everything is gonna be alright. Okay? Yeah. Let me explain to you what’s what’s happening. Okay? Let me explain to you what’s going on. Okay. Okay. He was involved in a automobile accident where he suffered a fractured nose. He also has a few stitches on his lips. When the officer arrived, they arrested him. They’re charging him with reckless endangerment of texting on the phone. Okay? What’s gonna happen is in two hours, we’re going before the judge for an arraignment hearing. This arraignment hearing will be postponed for a later date next month, which is why I immediately asked the judge for a bail hearing. Okay? Did he mention to you he wants you to help him financially with the bail? He said something about there’s a bail. Right. Was he drinking? I’m sorry? Was he drinking? What is he doing? Was he drinking? Was he drunk? Was he drunk? No. No. He was not drinking. He’s being charged for reckless endangerment due to the crash while texting on the phone. Okay? So he was texting and driving. Did he hit something or hit somebody? He hit another car. In the other vehicle, there was a pregnant woman. Okay? Oh, my goodness. Is she okay? Yeah. Well, she’s been taken to the hospital, so no news is good news where we stand. Alright? Okay. Okay? Give me one second. Okay? Alright. Okay. Can you hear me? Yes. Okay. He needs you to help him. Is there any way that you can pay his bail? How much is it? It’s $8,000. Oh my god. I know. Why is it so high? Well, because there’s a lady. She’s pregnant. You know? So that’s why the judge set the bail so high. Oh my goodness. What? Where where does he when is the trial? The trial is gonna be next month. Next month. Mhmm. That’s why I wanna have him released on bail. So if he doesn’t get out of bail, he has to stay in jail a month? If he doesn’t pay his bail, he’s gonna have to stay a month. Oh my gosh. Can I go down and visit him? Oh, no. Not yet. When he goes to the county jail, you can come and visit him. I oh my god. Well, what do I have to do? Do I need to go down the police station? Cash to help him? What? I’m sorry? Do I need to go down the police station? No. Is there any way that you could pay his bail? Yes. I’m asking you if I need to go down the police station to pay it. No. No. No. You you would have to get the money in cash and give me a call once you have it available in your hands. Cash? Yes. $8,000 in cash? Yes, ma’am. In order to have him released today, you know, you have to work with cash. Because if you do a check or money wire transfer, it would take forty eight to seventy two hours for him to be released. So what I wanna do is I wanna try to have him released as soon as possible. Do you understand? What do I do with the cash? Well, I would contact the bonding agency to process the bail. You broke you the connection was breaking up. What do I do with the cash? I will take down your name and address to the finance department, to the bonding agency, and they will educate us on how to process the bail. Okay? Remember, I am only an attorney. Okay? But you don’t know how to process bail? The bonding agency will educate us on how and where to process the bail from the comfort of your own home. Well, how do I contact them? I’m sorry? How do I contact them? I didn’t hear you, ma’am. How do I contact the bonding agency? Well, I am before I hang up, I will have them contact you. Okay? I will take down your information. Okay? And I will forward it to them. Okay? And they will find a agency in your town that will be working with you. Okay. Okay? What what’s your name? Anne Johnson. Anne Johnson? Yes. I gave that to you earlier. Okay. No. I’m just writing it down, ma’am. I’m just writing it down. Okay. I’m just making sure that you’re giving me all the right information if you don’t know who I am. I don’t know how you gave me all the information. No. Because you for John Don Johnson. Correct? I asked you, what is your name? My name is Anne. Ma’am? Yes. Okay. What is do you have a cell phone? I can barely hear you. Do you have a cell phone? Hello? Do you have a cell phone? Hello? Do you have a cell phone? Can you I don’t know what happened, but I can’t hear you. Okay. Do you have a cell phone? Yes. Okay. What’s the number? 2203 Okay. What is your address? 49 I’m giving him a fake address, which will become important later. Charlotte, North Carolina 28269. This is in Charlotte. Correct? North Carolina? Yes. That’s right. Okay. Okay. How long do you think it will take you to run to your bank, get the 8,000 in cash, and give me a call once you have it at hand? About about an hour, I guess. Miss Johnson? Yes. About an hour? Okay. There’s only one thing I want you to keep in mind. Okay? When you go to your bank’s name or his case number, okay, the banks, they have what’s called a public criminal database. They share with all major banks and corporation. Okay? Once if this information goes in public records, there is nothing that I could do to remove it. Do you understand? No. So when they ask you, what do you need this money in cash for? Just simply tell them it’s for renovating your home. Okay? You’re doing some home repairs. Okay? You don’t have to give them any information about Don. Do you understand? Uh, well, I don’t know why they would ask. I’m sorry? I don’t know why they would ask. I’m not borrowing the money. I’m taking it out of my own account. Banks. It’s like any, well, you know, the banks, they they’re like every it’s like every business. They want you to put in money, but they will ask you and make a specialty when you’re taking out a large amount of 8,000. Okay? So keep that in mind. Okay? They will sell your information to the public source. Okay? Nowadays with social media, public news, everything gets blown out of proportion. Okay? And being that down hit a pregnant woman, you know, this is gonna be blown out of proportion. Do you understand? Uh-huh. It’s imperative to to not disclose his information. Okay? Yeah. Do you understand? I understand. Okay. You have my number. Please give me a call once you leave your bank. Okay? Make sure you take your cell phone. Okay. And and what do I do with the cash? I don’t understand what I’m doing with cash. Just give me a call. I am going to connect you with the bonding agency once you have the cash in hand. Okay? Can I get a a certified check, a cashier’s check, instead of Well, you could pay instead of cash? You could pay the bill however you can pay the bill however you want. But as a lawyer, I’m giving you a free it’s best to work with cash to have Dawn released today. That’s what I wanna do. I wanna have Dawn released today because the lady is pregnant, and her family, her husband can come to court and file charges against Dawn. If they file charges against Don, he will the bail will be revoked. You understand? Yeah. Okay. So the smartest thing to do is to have him released as soon as possible. Okay? Okay. I just don’t understand. Do I I just bring the cash back home? Well, you could give me a call once you leave your bank. Okay? Just give me a call. Okay. I don’t understand. From your Uh, I’m a about fifteen minutes. About fifteen minutes. Oh, so if you’re that close to your bank, just go home and give me a callback once you’re home. Okay? Okay. Alright. Yes. Alright. That’s perfect. Okay. So I’ll Johnson? Yeah. I wish you the best of luck. Thank you. I’m just No. I’m a nervous wreck right now. Okay. So before you go out, have a cup of tea. Okay? Okay. Just calm down. You know, Donna’s in good shape. He’s being kept in the infirmary. It’s a hospital like environment. Okay? Okay. Just calm down. Okay. Keep him in there. Okay? Absolutely. I’m trying to keep him there until he’s released. Okay. Alright. Thank you. Bye bye. Alright. Bye bye. Charles Reed speaking. How can I help you? Uh, hello? This is Anne Johnson. I was speaking with you earlier today Yes. About Donnie. You doing? Oh, well, I’ve I’ve I’m not doing very well, but, uh, but, uh, I guess it’ll be okay. Um, I got the cash. Are you home, miss Johnson? Yes. Okay. Very well. How how was it for you? It’s okay? It was okay. Alright. I’m nervous as I can be. No. Just be careful. Get a grab grab a little a cup of tea Yeah. Some water Yeah. And calm down. Okay? Everything is gonna be alright. Okay? Ma’am? Yes. Hello? Have the agent yes. Can you hear me? Mhmm. Let me have the agent from the bonding agency give you a ring. Okay? He’s gonna explain to you what needs to be done. What I’m gonna do is I’m gonna try to have a courier, okay, help you out. Okay? Just give me a moment. A courier? A courier, ma’am? Yes. I’m here. Okay. Did you hear me? Yes. Okay. So stay by the phone. Once you’re done with them, just give me a call. Okay? They’re gonna call me or I’m calling them? No. They’re gonna call you. Okay? Okay. Alright. Hello? Hello? Yes. Hello. This is Anne Johnson. Hi, miss Johnson. How are you doing today, ma’am? Oh, I’m doing okay. Great. Name is Perry Thomas. I work with the financial department for the first time offender’s program. For what? That For the first time offenders program, it’s a bonding it’s a bonding agency, ma’am, that is affiliated with the courts. You folks have a relative in jail right now who you’re hoping to file that. Is that Uh, yes. I’m having a hard time hearing you, though. Oh, I do apologize, ma’am. They’re they’re currently working on our phone lines today. Okay. Wanna help hey. No way, ma’am. I’m sorry for that. However, if you need me to repeat myself, I’ll be happy to do something. Yeah. It was just going in and out. It’s okay. Go ahead. Good. Alright. Now, miss Johnson, uh, I see here in documentation in front of me that your relative has an $8,000 bond. Is that affirmative? Yes. And are you folks gonna be posting that bond or should contact someone else? Uh, no. I’ll be posting it. Okay. Perfect. Now do you get out of your home on your own, ma’am? Or Yes. Okay. Great. And have you already retrieved those funds from your bank? Or Just got back from the bank a little while ago. Oh, wow. I should’ve been up here. Okay. Great. So we’re on we’re on a fast track then. Pretty good. Alright. Now, ma’am, um, as you may or may not be aware, the bonding agency that you’re current dealing with for the irrelevant dealing with had a money back guarantee. What does that mean? That means that with the court to two business days, your funds are fully refundable as long as your relatives are up to four. You understand? Yes. Okay. Go ahead. Now let me ask you a question, ma’am. Do you happen to have a a pen and paper there that you can jot down some information? Yes. Yeah. I got it. Perfect. Perfect. Perfect. K. Well, let me know when you are when you’re ready to start writing there. I’m ready. I’ve I’ve wrote your name down. Right. Now, ma’am, first thing I want you to do is write down your name and address, miss Johnson. And the reason being is because you’re gonna be the getting the refund. Right? Not anyone else. Okay? You want me to write write down my own name and address? I’m sorry, ma’am. Like I said before, I’ll be happy to repeat myself, and I’m sorry for me to be working so hard. But the first thing I need you to do, ma’am, is write down your name and address. Okay? Why do I need to write my own name? I know my own name. No. No, ma’am. Because remember, this information that we are writing down, we’re gonna be processing it for computers. So everything that I’m providing you with, if I need to Your phone is terrible. I don’t have any idea what you’re saying. Miss Johnson? Yes. Are you able to hear me okay, ma’am, or are you still having problems? Uh, I don’t know until you talk a little bit. Okay. Hello? Yeah. Great. So let me elaborate for you. The reason why I’m educating you to write down this information, ma’am, is because this is the information that is needed in order for us to process the bond. The lawyer advised me that you weren’t capable of driving the four and a half hour trip. Obviously, that is needed in order to take this process. Um, that’s why what we’re doing is basically contacting one of our drivers so that they may be able to go ahead and retrieve this information as well as those funds from you. You can put it in a secure envelope or a small box, whatever you feel comfortable with. And, basically, you do not have to worry about taking a four and a half hour trip. That’s the main thing. A four and a half hour trip to where? Okay. So what’s called the first time offenders program? The first time offenders program, basically, they have a location in Florida. And, obviously, I don’t see you driving that far. Not supposed to bond if you know what that is. Why would I have to post bond in Florida? Because that’s where the PTI program is at, ma’am. PTI stands for pretrial intervention, and their corporate headquarters is there. Unfortunately, they don’t have nothing locally. The closest, uh, kiosk that they have is about an hour and a half. Yeah. Do you understand? Yeah. That’s what so what I’m trying to do, ma’am, is help you post this call without having to go too far. Now that’s up to your discretion if you wanna still move forward with helping your relative. Or if you wanna take a four and a half hour drive, you can do so too. It might be a little bit longer depending on where you’re at in your to be honest with you. Well, no. I don’t wanna drive four hours. I don’t believe But there’s nothing funny about this. I don’t know why you’re laughing. Oh, no. No, ma’am. I’m not I’m just trying to basically ease the Is this a joke to you? No. Not at all, ma’am. With all due respect, I understand where you’re coming from, ma’am. I I’m just the finance department. And what happens is my job is just to help people like you and your current situation. Well, you shouldn’t laugh. It makes you come across as an asshole. Well, I’m sorry for that, ma’am. I’m trying to help you out today by the time I get funny. Understandable. Now, ma’am, do you have a Manila envelope in your possession? Yes. Okay. Uh, do you have a pen and paper that you can jot down this information where it can be legible so that someone like myself can input that in a computer? Have a what? Do you have a pen and paper where you can write down information that’s legible enough for us to input it in the computer? Yes. K. Well, the first thing I need you to do then, ma’am, in this case, start with your name and address. Okay. Alright. Great. Let me know once you’re done doing that. I have an abundance of information for you. Okay. Great. Next thing I need you to do, ma’am, is go ahead and write down the letters p t I. Yeah. Next to that, we’re gonna write the number 12Dash24. Mhmm. And then we’re gonna write down release program. Okay. Great. Underneath that, I want you to go ahead and put down your relative’s first and last name. Did they give you a case number? Yes. K. You can go ahead and jot that down as well. Okay. K. Thank you. Underneath that, we’re gonna go ahead and put the letters c and then the number sign, the pound sign. Okay. Next, we’re gonna write the letters So it’s I s b n Mhmm. 9780593157817. That is the certificate number or the VIN ticket number. Okay. Alright. Did he really just give me an ISBN number? Now I know some of you are gonna catch that. So I’ll save you the time. I looked it up. It’s John Grisham’s A Time for Mercy. How funny is that? Alright. Here we go. Yeah. Underneath that, we’re gonna write docket number, which is d o c hyphen number sign Mhmm. 999. 3 Nines at the end. K. Underneath that, I want you to go ahead and put down the word bond rep. You can write my name down, which is Perry Thomas. It’s p e r r y t h o m a s. Okay. K. B underneath or you can just put it right next to my name. B, the letter BForBravo Mhmm. The number sign, 60069. K. K. Underneath that, ma’am, I want you to write the word US Dash Seven Eight One Seven Okay. 9799. 9 7 9 9. Okay. That was 2 at the end, ma’am, that you wrote about? 9799? Uh, yes. Okay. Thank you. Take care. Two more. See. Oh, underneath that, I want you to put bond payment. Okay. Yeah. Bond payment 8,000. You can write it down in number form or letter form. Yeah. Okay. Okay. The judge presiding in this case is doctor Jay Grisham. Last name is g r I s h a a m. You said Dave? Uh, Jay. James. James. James a a e s. Yeah. James Grisham. Just trying to we’re trying to get over the place. Grisham. Interesting. I hope, uh, uh, I hope any of his victims aren’t a John Grisham fan. He’ll, uh, blow his cover right away. Back to the call. Okay. Mhmm. And the district attorney, that’s, uh, basically, his name is Jake Brigance. That’s b r I g a n c e. Okay. Oh my gosh. This guy is killing me with the John Grisham references. Too funny. Let’s go. Great. Um, let me see. And last but not least, ma’am, if you can, just put your signature in the bottom, please. Alright. Now, miss Johnson, would you like me to start locating one of our drivers in your area? You said they’re gonna come pick pick it up? Yeah. They’ll go by your home and pick it up. Basically, I’m not gonna to the jail. What jail is he in? Oh, no, ma’am. The plaza get posted at the jail. That’s why we’re trying to help you out with here. That’s why we’re here to help you, man. K. And I believe, if I’m not mistaken, there is a p the PTI Kiaj in I think it’s a Raleigh, if I’m not if I’m not mistaken. You get out that far? Uh, Yeah. I could. Okay. Well, a Kiaj is like a sort of like a automatic teller system, like a machine, where you would have to input a whole bunch of information with one of our agents on the phone, maybe not myself or someone else, and then basically put the money through the machine. The machine will print you out of receipt. You have that option. Uh, the other option, like I said before, is you can contact a driver in your area who will provide a quote back. Where where’s the machine? The machine? That’s what I can find one for you right now. Give me one second, ma’am. But I have, basically, like I said before, a Kia is sort of like an automatic teller system, like a ATM machine. So if you wanna use one of those, it’s not a problem. Are you familiarized with them, ma’am? Am I familiar with an ATM machine? Yeah. But to make deposits. Not to withdraw money, but to make deposits. I’ve never done that before. Um. See, first of all, the ATM machine is to look at that normally. The same way that you can receive money through them, you can actually deposit money through them. And you don’t have one you don’t have one in Charlotte? Give me one sec. Can you verify your address for me to make sure? 49 Arlette, North Carolina 28269. K. Thank you. 28269? Mhmm. Give me one second, please, ma’am. K. Hang on, please, Matt. Thank you for your patience. Just one moment, please. Oh, ma’am? Yes. I see that you have, uh, those ATM machines over by Harris Teeter. Or do you have one too far from here? Over where? At Harris Teeter? Yes, ma’am. There’s a machine called Coinstar there that you can actually make the deposit in that payment. Coinstar? Yes, ma’am. That’s what’s affiliated with. I didn’t get this $8,000 in quarters. No. No, ma’am. That’s just the name of the machine. It’s not exactly you don’t pay in quarter, if I may. It’s called Coinstar. That’s the machine that’s affiliated with the agency that would enable you to make the payment through there. That’s what I’m calling for. I don’t know I thought Coinstar where you are. I thought Coinstar is where you take your change and and get money for it. No, ma’am. No. Why would I put $8,000 in a Coinstar machine? Because that’s one of the options you have available, ma’am. If you don’t wanna drive or if you don’t wanna use one of our carriers, you can do it that way. See, what I’m doing, miss Johnson, is my job is just to help you make the payment. I’m not here to basically tell you which way to do it. I’m here to help you whichever way you wish to do it, ma’am. Do you understand? No. I’m I’m starting to not understand. Okay. A Coinstar machine, is this some kind of a joke? Excuse me? No, ma’am. That’s the name of the machine itself. It’s called Coinstar. It’s not that it’s an actual coin that you put in the machine. So once again, ma’am, like I stated before, what I’m doing here, my job is just to educate you on how you can make the payment, ma’am. I’m not telling you you should do it this way or you shouldn’t do it this way. I’m just giving you the options that you have available if you decide to move forward with helping your relative. Do you understand, ma’am? Yeah. Okay. That’s just my job. I do not get paid by you or your family, ma’am. I’m just here to educate you on how you can take care of it. Now if you have questions, feel free to ask away. No. I’m not I’m not I’m not taking this money in in Harris Teeter and putting it in a machine. Somebody’s liable to rob me or something. I’m not doing that. Not doing it. It’s okay then. That’s fine. Laugh at me one more time, I’m a hang up on your ass. I’m sorry, ma’am. You don’t wanna speak to me no more? I’ll hang up the phone then. I’m good. Good. Because you stop laughing at me. Speaking. Hello? Yes. Yes. Can I speak to mister Charles Reed, please? Speaking. Uh, yes, sir. This is Anne Johnson. And, um miss Johnson. Uh, well, I’m not doing very well at all. Uh, mister Perry Thomas called me, and he gave me all kinds of information. And there’s something wrong with him. He kept laughing at me. Is he some kind of idiot? Is he on some kind of drugs? What do you mean? I don’t wanna talk to him anymore. I don’t wanna talk to him anymore. He thinks it’s funny, and it’s not funny. It’s not funny at all. He just laughs. He tells you things, and then he just laughs like some idiot. Like, he thinks this is all funny and it isn’t. That is outrageous. Hold on a second because I’m having a hard time hearing. Okay? What was he doing, Philip? I mean, Matt Ham? He just was would tell me things and then he would laugh like it’s funny. It’s not funny. What’s wrong with him? I don’t understand. Okay. Well, listen to okay. This is what I’m gonna do. I’m gonna gather his instructions. Okay? Don’t leave don’t, um, hang up. Allow me a moment. Okay? Yeah. Did he tell you did he instruct you on what we’re gonna do with the courier? Yes. He gave me all the information. And then Okay. And then wanted me to take the money down to Harris Teeter and put it in some Coinstar machine. Okay. Well, I don’t think you’re able to do that. Right? Are you able to go to the Habitaters? Why would I put money in a Coinstar machine? Okay. Well, that is the quickest way to get everything processed. But I spoke to them specifically. So do go with the courier. Okay? So don’t worry about it. We’re gonna use the courier. Alright? Okay. Okay. So just okay. Okay. Look. This is what I want you to do. Can you hear me? Yes. Okay. I want you to grab a and a envelope. Okay? Grab a what? Paper and a pen. I did all that. I wrote down all the things he gave me. I couldn’t understand you. I did that. He gave me everything to write down. I wrote it all down, a bunch of information. I’ve got it on a piece of paper. Okay. But do you have the small box and the envelope? I have an envelope. Yes. Okay. Do do you have a small box? A shoe box. Will that work? That will work. Okay. That’ll work. And if you have a brown bag or maybe a gift bag. Right? A gift bag? Stores Yeah. The box in. Yeah. Just grab one of those. Okay? And Like a birthday gift bag? Clean sheet of yeah. A a shopping bag. A regular gift bag. Shopping bag. Alright. With a shoe with a shoe box. You’re gonna grab a shoe box, empty shoe box. You’re gonna have envelope. Okay? You need two you need one sheet of paper and, uh, that’s it, and a pen and paper. Okay? Mhmm. And let me call you back so I can get all the details and make sure we’re all on the same page. Okay? Okay. Alright. Alright. Alright. Please hold. Hello? Hello? Yes. Is this Charles Reed again? Yes, sir. Okay. Great. Was you able to get the box? Uh, yes. I have a box. Okay. How about the two sheets of paper? Yes. I have paper. Okay. Let me see here. Okay. Now is the is the money inside of the envelope? Uh, yes. Okay. Now what I want you to do is to place the money inside the sealed envelope. Okay? Mhmm. Mhmm. You’re gonna seal it up? Yes. It’s in the envelope now. Okay. You’re gonna write down your name. Well, I have my name on the paper. You want it on the envelope too? Yes, please. Okay. Alright. Okay. Just write it on the envelope. Make sure the envelope is sealed. You’re gonna put it inside the box. K? How does it fit inside the envelope? Is it snug, or is it too loose? You might wanna put maybe a old shirt or something in there so it doesn’t wiggle everywhere. Oh, it’s fine. I got some tissue paper from the gift bag. Okay. That’s perfect. Okay. So you’re gonna put the seal the box. Okay? And the sheet of paper, you’re gonna put it inside the box before you seal it. Okay? Okay. Okay. I’ve got it pretty good. Let’s see there. Hello? How’s is it going there? Are you talking to me or somebody else? I’m talking to you, darling. Oh, everything’s fine. I’ve got it all together. Okay. Is is it sealed up? Yes. Okay. Is, uh, let me see here. How about, uh, the bag? You’re gonna put the box. What’s the envelope inside of the bag? Yeah. I figured that. Okay. And that’s it. I’m just waiting for you see, I’m talking to you, and I’m also talking to the agent at the courier. Okay? Mhmm. I’m trying to he’s trying to find the curvier for me. So I’m trying to multitask. Okay. I tell you one thing. You sound much better now than before. Well, yeah, I guess it’s I’m happy you calmed down, and I do apologize for the inconvenience. Uh, Mark Newman. That’s okay. Okay. This is real simple. All you’re gonna do is hand the package to the courier. Uh-huh. The courier is a licensed agent from the bonding agency. Okay. Okay. What time will they be here? What He’s just a driver. Go ahead. Is it in a, like, a government car or what? No. No. No. No. I’m gonna give you all the details as soon as we find they find out, uh, uh, who’s the one that’s gonna be in your town at what time. Mhmm. Okay? I will give you all the details. Okay. Well Mhmm. You want me to stay on the phone? Yes. Absolutely. Okay. If you want, you could you could put me on speaker. Okay? And once I get them to answer, you know, I will let you know. Okay? I will just shout. But I’m gonna stay here. Okay? Anne? Yes. Okay. Anne, I’m still work working with you. I’m just waiting for them. Okay? Okay. Why don’t you just call me when you when you get it? Do do you mind staying on the phone? I don’t mind staying. Well, I I kinda need to go to the restroom, so just call me when you get it. Alright. Okay. Thank you. Bye. Okay. I have reported both of their phone numbers. Hello? Hello? Hello? Oh, how are you? Uh, fine. Who’s calling? Okay. Oh, this is mister Charles, ma’am. Now, um, let me ask you something, ma’am. Was you able to, um, pay the bill from this morning, ma’am? It’s who? Oh, this is Charles, ma’am. I spoke to you earlier. Do you remember? I had, um, call, um, the Uber for you to go go pick up the funds, to go pick up the money. Were you able to give it to him? No. You did not give give the Uber the money? Nobody came. Nobody came. No one came? No. Nobody came. And I tried to call you back, and I called, uh, I tried to call you, and I tried to call, um, mister Thomas. And I got a message on both of your phone numbers that it was disconnected. Okay. I understand. Now what what happened is mister Thomas and, um, mister Child, they both off the case. Okay? So, um, I am the one that’s taking over. Now let me ask you something. Were you able to go to the bank and get the funds? Yes. I got the $8,000. But so who is this? Oh, this is this is mister Charles. I’m the first attorney that you spoke with earlier. Mister Charles, he was just in charge of, like, helping me bill on the illegal care package. Now what happened is he was tied up to another case, so he did not they did not inform me. They did not let me know. So this is what happened. I I apologize. Okay? Well, I tried to call your phone number, the the one that starts with 773, and it doesn’t work. Yes. I did work in the phone. I get a pen and a piece of paper that would you could write down my my line right now. So I that way, we if we do get it disconnected. Okay? Get yourself a pen and a paper. Why is your phone disconnected? Excuse me? Why is your phone disconnected? Well, ma’am, I don’t know why that line is disconnected. What I’m saying is that they are working on the phone line because I do have three other clients. They told me the same thing. They’ve been trying to contact me, and then the phone wasn’t going through. So I did let let explain that to them. Do y’all working on the phone line? It could be why. Okay? Well, what took you so long to call me back? My god. I’ve been sitting here worrying myself sick. I I understand, ma’am. I apologize. Like I said, I I had to go call. I have two other cases, so I had to make an appearance. Okay? I I apologize. This is the reason I’m giving you a call right away ASAP. Okay? Now can you get yourself a pen and a paper, ma’am? Yeah. Yeah. Uh Now, ma’am, would you now this is what I need from you, ma’am. Now do you have any envelope at home, any white envelope? I already put it all in envelope. Okay. I understand. Now let me ask you something then. Are you low are you familiar with your local post office? Yes. I’m familiar with my post office. Okay. Now this is what I need you to do now. Just let me know when you’re ready. Get get yourself a pen and a piece of paper. Well, I’ve got it, uh, I’ve got it right here. Okay. Excellent. Now I I need you to write down you’re gonna need a nine by 10 padding envelope. Just let me know if you have that. I have everything I have everything in the, um, Manila envelope. Oh, okay. That’s good. Okay. Now this is what you will need. Since you only have everything in the Manila envelope, the only thing you will need, you will need 11 by 13 box. That’s what you will need from the post office. That’s very important. Just write it down, please. It’s called 11Slash1311By13Box. It’s on the post office. By 13. Yes, ma’am. From the post office. You will be able to purchase that. Now are you able to go to the post office to purchase one, ma’am? I I thought somebody was coming by to pick it up. Well, that that’s what happened, ma’am. Now the marshals that they do have assigned to the case, now he they end up sending to another location. Okay? At their location, it seemed like they did forget about you, so he wants to deal with three more pickup from other location. That’s what happened here. Well, here’s the thing. Here’s the thing. My grandson is in jail, and you’re forgetting about me. Have you forgot about him too? Ma’am, listen to me, ma’am. We like I said like I said, ma’am, I did not forget about you. I’ve been working on this case. Okay? What happened is, ma’am, I did have two other cases. I had to make an appearance. Okay? So their family had already paid me. I had to make an appearance, but your grandson, on, I am taking care I am taking care of this case. Now I did let the judge know, can we will we was we able to get the extension for tomorrow morning? He said yes. Okay? So this is the reason I’m calling you right now to see if you will be able to purchase the box. This that’s the only thing that’s missing there. It’s the 11 by 13 box. I am here working with you then. Well, uh, okay. So 11 by 13 box. 11 by 13 box. Box. Okay? Okay. Okay. Now this is what I need you. Do you have a cell phone by any chance? This is my cell phone. Okay. Excellent. Now this is what I need you to do now. Okay? You’re gonna, um, run down to the post office. You’re just gonna purchase 11 by 13 box. Now you said you only have the pad the patent envelope and everything. Am I correct? Yes. Okay. So once you have now write down my phone number. That way, we will not lose contact. I did. I wrote it down, but I also have the other two phone numbers written down, and they’re disconnected. Ma’am, listen to me, please. I’m giving you my cell phone number. This is my personal line. That’s the one you’re gonna be calling me from. Okay? So that way we do not lose contact. Okay? Okay. Just let me know when you’re ready, ma’am. Okay. Well, go ahead. Okay. My cell phone number, ma’am, it’s 401 Yes. Okay. Just let me know when you’re ready. Are you writing it down, ma’am? I wrote down the number you called me from. Is that what you’re giving me? Exactly. Yes, ma’am. It’s (401) 250-5590. That’s the cell phone number on my personal line. I have that. Okay. Excellent. Now this is what I need you to do, ma’am. Okay? You will go down to local post office. Now allow me just one second. Let’s just let me check here to see if it’s still open. Okay? No. The post office is closed now. It’s after 05:00. Oh, okay. They closed already. Am I correct? Yeah. The post office is closed. Oh, okay. I did not know that. Okay. This is what we’re gonna do. Allow me just one second here. Now what I will do is I will let the judge know due to the fact that the post office is closed already. So what we will do, ma’am, we will have to do this early in the morning. What we need to meaning that I believe the post office, they are open at 09:00 in the morning. Okay? Where are you calling me from? Ma’am, I am calling you from my office in North Carolina, ma’am, downtown at the clerk’s office. Now if you’re not gonna be able to help your relative, please let me know, ma’am, so I don’t waste your time. I don’t waste my time. I’m just trying to help you out, guys. Okay? So that way, she will be able to be really safe in town. Well, I feel like you’re not trying to help me out at all. You forgot me all afternoon. Ma’am, you Your phone’s got your phone’s got disconnected. I called you back over and over and over and over. Phone did not You didn’t even call me. Disconnected, ma’am. My phone did not get get disconnected because I am speaking to you right now. Well, call your number. Call your phone number and see what it says. It says it’s disconnected. Did not get disconnected. It did get disconnected. Call it. Ma’am, listen to me, please. I don’t know if you’re gonna help me. Phone number that got disconnected because it’s disconnected. Okay, ma’am. Are you gonna help your relative, or you just wanna fight with me now? Because I don’t wanna fight with you. I just wanna help you. I’m just trying to motivate you into not being so damn lazy. You’re lazy. Motivate me because I have been working in the case for you guys. Okay? If it wasn’t because of me, they would’ve charged me this order. So we this this is what we do not want. I am doing the best of my ability. I had two more case I had to attend. I had to go to court for. Okay? So I did not forget about you. This is the reason I’m contacting you. Now, mister Thomas, you were supposed to be able to help you. Now what happened is you got caught up into other cases, so this is the reason I picked that up on my cell phone, give you a call. Well, I don’t wanna talk to that I don’t wanna talk to that asshole, mister Thomas, anymore, anyway. Exactly, ma’am. Exactly. So this is the reason I am gonna be able to help you myself. I’m not gonna mess with mister Thomas. It seem like he’s not professional. Okay? I I apologize for that, ma’am. Okay? He should have he should he should have told me that he wasn’t gonna be able to help me, and I was dating myself. So I I apologize for that. We’re not gonna mess with him. We’re not gonna deal with him anymore. Now what I’m gonna do with him, I’m gonna let the court know that the post office, they already closed. What we will do is tomorrow morning early at 09:00, I will be able to give you a callback to refresh your memory. Okay? So can I just Can I just do a wire transfer from my bank? Well, ma’am, at at the moment moment. At the moment, no. Due to the fact that the judge did grant him a cash bail, so we have to go obey what the judge says, ma’am. Okay? Well, can I take you to the UPS store? They’re still open. No, ma’am. No, ma’am. Listen to me, please. Okay? Listen to me, please. Due to the fact that the most office are closed, now this is the carrier date beyond use. They’re very reliable. Okay? So what we will do is then now the only thing the only either way, I I believe they they might be closed already or the trucks have already left already. Now the best thing for us to do is, ma’am, it’s early in the morning. Now what I will do is I will go ahead finish finish up with the paperwork. So only thing that will be missing, tomorrow morning, I will give you a phone call. Now what time do you wake up in the morning, ma’am? Oh, I’ll get up whenever I need to. I wanna take care of this. I wanna take care of it now. Uh, exactly. I understand. Now, ma’am, like I said, you only know that the post office are closed, so we have we have no choice but wait for tomorrow morning. Okay? Tomorrow morning at 09:00, I will give you a call. So that way, I will let me give you the instruction what needs to be done. It’s only gonna take you no no no more than five to eight minutes. Well, go ahead and give me the instructions now. I don’t know why you just keep putting things off. I do. Procrastinating procrastinating and lazy. Just give me the information now so I can write it down. No, ma’am. It it cannot be done like that due to the fact I have to contact the first time I’ve been in the program, so y’all going to give me the information. Okay? So now the post office are closed, so there’s nothing that they’re gonna be able to do for me now. Stop repeating yourself. I understand the post office is closed. The exactly. So the post office is closed. They’re not gonna be able to give you any information, ma’am. So Is the post office open? It’s closed already, ma’am. The post office got closed. Okay? So I will give you a call tomorrow morning, early, ma’am. That way, we can continue the process. So once you get this box? Where am I sending the money? Yeah. Like I said, tomorrow morning, I will have all the information for you that might have No. You tell me right now. I’m gonna write it all down. Right now. If I would’ve known, I would’ve told you. Okay? You didn’t know. Need to tell me right now. Hello? Hello? Well, I also reported their new phone numbers, and they were disconnected soon after he hung up on me. The scammer never called me back from a new number. Remember, the address I gave them was fake. Their plan was to send a courier, probably an unsuspecting Uber driver, to help them commit their crime. Please make sure the grandparents in your life know about this scam. I’ve got another call coming soon with the same scam group, couple of different scammers. See you next time. I appreciate you all so much. 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