Grandma Outsmarts Scammers in $4000 Jail Scam! 😂

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Well, hi y’all. It’s Trixie. I talk to scammers and pretend to be a victim to learn more about scams and to get the scammers to spend time with me instead of a real victim. The scammers you’re about to hear are running what we call the grandparent scam. It’s a widespread scam, but you don’t often get to hear a scam bait call because of the way these scammers operate. They make outbound calls using targeted lists. And when an elderly person answers the phone, they say, hi, grandma. Now even if the voice doesn’t sound exactly right, many people who do have grown grandchildren will not hang up immediately. The first scammer pretending to be the grandson will explain why he sounds different, and he’ll rush the call. Imagine being an elderly person who perhaps doesn’t hear very well or talk to their own grown grandchildren frequently on the phone. These scammers are very good at detecting scam baiters or problems, so there won’t be any playing games. Let’s go. I got in a car wreck this morning. My nose is broken. Beta? Yeah. I’m not doing too good. What’s wrong? The lady in the other car ran into me out of nowhere. What lady? The lady in the other car that I had the accident with. What accident? I don’t know anything about the accident. I got I got in a car accident. With who? The lady the lady that had the accident where she’s at the hospital, they hold me in jail. I don’t have much time on the phone call here. You’re in jail? Yeah. The officers gave me a hard time. They tried to say that I ran the red light using my cell phone. I did not. I I need to give you a lawyer’s number here. Okay? I need your help with the bond. Where are you? Uh, I’m in jail. Let me give you the phone number to the lawyer. Hold on. Alright. Hello? 6 the number is 6. Call the lawyer. That’s missus Welch. Michelle Welch. That’s the lawyer. Michelle Welch. That’s the lawyer. She said she could get me out of here with the bond. Okay? What’d you do? Um, you know, I’ve got in a car accident, and I told you the lady’s at the hospital. The lady in the other car. Where are you? Right. I’m in jail right now. You think you could help me with with the bond? Yeah. How much is it? Lawyer. Call the lawyer. She’s gonna tell you. Okay? Do I just give her your name or what? Yeah. Just give her my name. My time is up. I love you. Okay? Don’t tell anyone. I’ll call you when I get out. Okay? I love you. You need me to call this lady? Yeah. Call the lawyer. Call the lawyer. I just gave you the number. Okay? My time is up. Okay. Public defender’s office. How may I help you? Oh, um, hello. Um, could I speak to, um, hold on, Michelle Welch, please? Who’s calling? Sarah Williams. And you’re calling in reference to who? Uh, my grandson, Peter, uh, called me a little while ago. He got himself arrested and, uh, called me and told me I need to call, uh, Michelle Welch. Okay. And what is your relative’s name again? Peter Williams. Please hold. I’m sending Michelle Welch speaking. How may I help you? Um, hello. My name is Sarah Williams, and my grandson, Peter Williams, called me a few minutes ago from jail, gave me your name and telephone number, told me I needed to call you. Okay. Do you have a case number for him? Uh, no. He ain’t give me that. He didn’t give you a case number. Okay. Let me go ahead and check here in the system. You said Peter Williams? Yeah. He uh, was calling from jail. Okay. Um, where does he reside at? South Carolina, Beaufort. Guilford? Okay. And, um, um, you said you’re his grandmother. What is your address? Uh, 161 Beaufort, South Carolina 29902. 1? 1? 161. 29902? Yeah. Now does, um, mister Williams reside with you? No. Okay. Bear with me one moment as I’m looking up the information. I don’t know his address. He just moved to a trailer park, uh, right outside Buford. I don’t know his address. What was the, uh, can you spell the street address again? My street. Your street address? Yes. Okay. Street. And you said Bilford. Correct? Yeah. L F 0 R D? No. I spelled it to you. Right. But you you have me on speakerphone because I can I can barely hear you? No. Uh, I’ll spell it again. Write it down. B E A U F 0 R T. Thank you for that. Bear with me one moment. Yeah. Trying to look up the information here. Thank you for that. Okay. Uh, Peter Williams. That is correct. He is being charged with reckless endangerment and reckless driving. Now, uh, missus Williams, before I get into any details, let me inform you that this call is being recorded for legal and security purposes. Okay? Yes, sir. Thing that generate the first thing that generated on Peter’s case is what’s called a nondisclosure agreement. What that means, missus Williams, is that we are legally bonded and only speaking to each other about Peter’s case. Do you understand, and do you agree? Okay. Okay. Meaning, no friends, family members, and definitely no type of social medias can be involved in his case. Okay? Okay. Now, unfortunately, he was on the cell phone while conducting the vehicle, and he got distracted, and he rear ended a lady who was with her five year old son. The son and the lady were rushed to the hospital. Okay? This is the reason why he’s being charged with reckless endangerment and reckless driving. Now the good thing is he was honest when police officers arrived the scene of the accident, but at the same time, it didn’t help him much because he did incriminate himself by stating that he was on the cell phone. Officers did confiscate the cell phone, and they’re going to be using his cell phone as evidence against him. And they also stated here on his police report that he could have prevented this accident from happening had he not been using a cell phone while conducting the vehicle. Okay? Now the good thing is he does qualify for the nationwide program that’s called first time offenders. What that program does is that they keep their information confidential, and they do not take their record. Now, um, they’re going to put up 90% of the bond, the 10% that needs to be paid through the program. It is for collateral, and it is fully refundable. All he has to do is show up to court. Okay? Go on the When is that? Judge they need I’m sorry? Uh, when is the court? Well, he right now, um, he doesn’t have a court hearing until he’s bonded out. He needs your financial assistance. Oh. Okay? How much is it? Now he did put you down as his emergency contact. Okay. Okay? And bear with me one moment here. Now let me just okay. Just bring up the information here. Alright. And, um, I’m showing here 10% of 75,000 is 7,500. Oh my god. Now he did tell me that he thought that was a little bit too steep. Okay? Now what I went ahead and did, because he is a first time offender, what I went ahead and did was I’ve already put in place what’s called a waiver for a bill reduction. Okay? But it doesn’t make any sense in placing a bill a waiver for a bill reduction if I don’t have a ballpark figure from you of how close to the 7,500 can you come up with. Are you able to do 4,000? Because you will get it back on Wednesday once he shows up to court. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I can do that. Now we no longer takes any any cashier’s checks, personal checks, um, certified checks. Um, that does take about seventy two business hours for it to clear. No debit cards or credit cards either. Um, what you can do is you can do, um, either electronic payment or a cash collateral bond. If you have a Cash App, Zelle, or Venmo account, then we can go ahead and do it that way, and that actually clears right away. And within half an hour, forty five minutes, he will be released. Now if not, then you will have to do this payment in cash. What’ll happen is I’ll forward your address to the financial department with the first time offenders program so they can find a payment location near you. Um, and what what were the options, uh, again? Okay. You can either do electronic payments such as Cash App, Zelle, or Venmo. Do you have any one of those three? Uh, Zelle. K. So you do have a Zelle account. Mhmm. Now one, uh, thing that we have ran into as a problem is do you have a limit on your bank account to do a cell payment? K. Sometimes, um, they have a limit of 500 of a bank with first and foremost? Bank of America. Okay. I don’t know if I have a limit or not. Okay. My Can I do a wire transfer? I know I can do it with a wire transfer. Yeah. But the thing is wire transfers do take seventy two business hours for it to clear as well. Okay? It does take three days. By then, they’re gonna send him to the correctional facility. His information is gonna go into the criminal database, and that’s what we’re trying to avoid. The whole point of having him enrolled in the first time offenders program is to make sure that his record stays clean. His record doesn’t get tainted. Okay? I’ve already put in a request to get the video footage. Okay? So we can check to see, um, was he at fault or not. Okay? But, um, to have him released through the first time, um, program, I can get a court hearing for Wednesday. If we do not have them bailed out, then he’s going to the correctional facility where he can await anywhere from sixty to ninety days to have another court hearing. That means he will be incarcerated. Okay? And his information will go into the criminal database. So my suggestion to you, call your bank. Okay? Um, ask your bank, do you have a limit without giving them any legal information about Peter’s case? Okay? Banks tend to get the information, and they will make it public knowledge. Okay? So you definitely don’t give them any information because what’s the use of having him in the program if the bank is gonna take his record anyway? Okay? I wanna make sure he gets released with a clean record. I know I have a strong case that I might be able on Wednesday to have him acquitted of all charges. K? But the only way we could do that is going through the first time offenders program, posting that bond for him. So call your bank, tell them that you need to do a Zelle payment, that you’re purchasing something. Just don’t give them any information about Peter’s case. And you wanna know if you can do a Zelle payment one can’t, can I just take it take the go down take a, like, a cashier’s check or something down to to the jail? That’s it it we I just informed you, we do not accept cashier’s check or personal checks or business checks. We haven’t been accepting those for a little bit over ten years, and that was due to fraudulent activities. Okay? So the only, uh, message that you have is these electronic payments to have them released today or a cash collateral bond. Meaning, you’ll pay this in cash. I would get I have your information. I will provide your address to the first time offenders financial department so they can find a payment location near you. But then you would need to go to your bank to withdraw the funds. Okay? And, um, your bank might not be open at this time. Is today a holiday? No. It’s not a holiday. Oh. But it’s already 04:00. They’re open till five? Yeah. Okay. Well, if you wanna go get the funds in cash now is this a landline, or is this a cell phone number? This a landline. Okay. Do you have a secondary number? No. Okay. See, that way I you could’ve came out of the bank and gave me a call outside of the bank to see if we had a payment location near your bank. So my suggestion is you wanna get a Where’s the payment location at? I have to forward your information to the financial department. I’m actually doing that right now. Okay? Okay. Well I don’t deal with the finances. Okay? I get paid by the law. You’re an attorney? That is correct. Did you take high school English? I’m sorry? Uh, nothing. Never mind. So you have my number? Yeah. Okay. Then give me a callback and let me know where we stand with Peter’s case. I’m gonna go get cash. I’m gonna go get cash. Where do I take it? Okay. My suggestion to you to knock two birds out with one stone, go ahead, go to your bank, get the funds, and give me a callback. I should have the payment location address for you. Okay. Alright. I’m just about ten minutes away, so it won’t take me that long. Okay. Okay. Okay. 4,000. Right? Please be safe. I’ll be expecting your call. Alright. Bye. Thank you. Attorney Michelle Welch speaking. How may I help you? Yeah. This is Sarah Williams. Is this Michelle Welch? Yes. I just got This is attorney Michelle Welch. Yes. I just got back from the bank. I’m calling about Peter Williams. Okay. Yes. You’re speaking about Peter. Yes. Okay. How did everything go at the bank? Well, it went fine. I’m sorry? It went fine? Okay. So you were able to get the 4,000? Yes. Okay. Bear with me one moment. Let me place you on a brief hold. K. Thank you for holding. I apologize for the hold time. I had an incoming call. Now, um, what I’m gonna go ahead and do, I’m gonna place you on a brief hold. I’m gonna contact the financial department. Now you stated that you do not have a cell phone. Correct? Correct. Okay. Because you would need a cell phone so we can give you, um, a certain code for you to be able to do that payment. Now what I can do is we can go ahead and I’m gonna speak to the financial department so we can see if the messaging service is available for you to make that payment. Now you’re gonna need two regular business size envelopes where you’re gonna put Peter’s name and his case number. Okay? And do you have a Manila envelope as well? Uh, Yeah. But I don’t understand I don’t understand how I’m gonna pay it. Okay. What I’m going to do is I’m going to contact the financial department. Okay? Because first time offenders program, it’s a nationwide program. Okay? But first time offender payment locations, we need to find one near you. We have where you could do an electronic payment, but you don’t have a cell phone. We need to give you a code for you to be able with this case number for you to be able to do that payment, but you said you don’t have a cell phone. So what I can do is I can get someone from the messaging service to go ahead and pick up that payment in the comfort of your home. I will be walking you through everything step by step, and I will be giving you a confirmation number for the payment. But I need to know if they are available at this time. So do you mind if I place you on hold so I can contact the financial department? Okay. Now while I’m contacting the financial department, can you please grab two regular business size envelopes and a Manila envelope as well and a sheet of paper? Okay. Okay? Let me place you on a brief hold. Please gather your supplies. Okay. Thank you. I apologize for the hold time, and I appreciate your patience. Oh, hell. I’ll be here. Okay. Missus Williams, I was just speaking to the financial department. The nearest payment location near you is in Greenville. What kind of payment location is it? It’s a first time offender’s payment location with the program. See, what happens is we they don’t use any just any regular bail bonds agencies because they tend to charge you and also to make the information public record. So the first time offenders program, they use their own financial, uh, department because that’s what the program is billed for. It’s billed to not take the record, to not expose their legal information. Okay? But the nearest one is at 429 Wade On Hampton Boulevard. What’s your address? Now what we can do is I could check to see if we have someone from the messaging service that can go pick up that payment at the comfort of your home. Okay? I will provide all the information that you need. Tell me the address again. I’m sorry? Tell me the address again. Okay. What you want the address to the payment location? The one you just gave me. Yeah. Okay. It’s 429 Wade On Hampton Boulevard, and that’s Greenville. 429. That’s it. Way. Correct. That’s Let me see how far that is. Hold on. Let me look it up on the computer. Okay. Oh, lord. That’s four hours away. That’s a gas station. Be the it correct. That’s a gas station. Like all That address is a gas station. Are you listening to me? Yes. I’m listening. Go ahead. That address is a gas station. Let me go ahead and check here on my email. Bear with me one moment. Bear with me. Would I be making a payment at a gas station? No. No. No. And why would I have to drive to Greenville to go to a gas station? I must’ve gave you the wrong information. Bear with me one moment. Let me check here again. Where is it at? Offenders. Okay. Let’s see here. Okay. Bear with me here. Okay. Yeah. It’s I’m sorry. That that’s what it was I gave you. It’s it’s 305 East North Street. There’s one there in Greenville, and there’s also 350 Halton Road in Greenville. Do you need me to repeat that? So I just go to go to, uh, that looks like that’s a courthouse. I just go to that courthouse? That’s that’s correct. What happens is okay. First time offenders program, it is a nationwide program, meaning we have it all over The United States. Right. I’ll drive down there tomorrow. I’ll leave I’ll drive I’ll drive down there tomorrow morning. I’m sorry. State that again. I said I’ll drive down there tomorrow morning. State that again, please? Uh, I your phone is cutting up. It’s a screeching noise. I’ll drive down there tomorrow morning. Okay. By tomorrow morning, by tonight, he will be at the correctional facility. What you wanna do is you don’t see his record at the correctional facility. Well, there’s nothing I can do about it. I don’t know what else I can do. I’m doing everything I can. My understanding what you’re saying. I’m doing everything I can. Telling you what what I can tell you is I can check with the messaging service so they can go to the comfort of your home to pick up that payment. I will be giving you a confirmation number of the payment. So somebody’s gonna come to my house and get it? That is correct. We can go ahead and use the messaging service to go ahead and pick it up and make that payment out of first time offender’s financial department. When are they coming? Hello? I’m here. I can hear you, ma’am. When are they coming? Okay. Let me go ahead and check with them. Let me place you on a brief hold. Now to do that payment with the messaging service, first thing you need to do is you need to do one self addressed envelope for your refund. Okay? So you need to do an envelope as if they’re going to mail it to you. The second envelope, you need to write Peter’s name and his case number. Okay? Do you have his case number? No. Okay. I’m gonna give it to you. Miss, well, you have a you have a call from the district attorney. Okay? K. Bear with me one moment. I have a call from the district attorney. Let me place you on a brief hold. Alright. Thank you for holding, missus Williams. I apologize for the hold time. Yes. I did. Let me verify your address again. It’s it’s 161. Correct? Yes. Okay. And that’s Bedford, B E A U F O R T. Correct? Right. And South Carolina 29902. That’s right. Okay. Bear with me because they’re asking me for the information. Let me place you on a brief hold. I have the district attorney on hold on the other line. Thank you for holding again, missus Williams. Missus Williams, your ZIP code is 29902. Correct? Yes. Okay. Thank you. I apologize for that. I’m gonna place you on hold again. Let me give the information to the financial department. Alright. Thank you. Thank you for holding again, missus Williams. I apologize for the hold time. I appreciate your patience. Okay. What you’re telling me from the financial department is, um, they’re not able to find that street, your street. Do you have a specific street close to where you live that they can find on the map? Because they’re not able to find it. What do you mean they can’t find it? Just look it up on GPS. On the GPS on their GPS system, they’re not able to find your address. Street, Bedford, South Carolina 29902. The the cross is the cross street is James Street. That’s the main street. Okay. What’s the main street again? James, J A M E S. Okay. Let me give them that information. Please hold. I’ll tell you what. I just thought of something. Hello? Hello? Thank you for holding, missus Williams. Yeah. Now, um, I have them, um, working with us to see if we can get someone from the messaging services because of the time. Um, it’s actually being a little bit hard because they already have their route with their GPS system. But let me go ahead and and start assisting you on how you’ll be able to make this payment. Now keep in mind, as I told you the first time we spoke, this call is being recorded for legal and security purposes, for your protection, as well as ours. On the recording, can you please state your full name? I’ve told you my name over and over. I’m sorry? You know my name. I’ve told you. Sarah Williams. Is that correct? Yes. Okay. And we’re speaking about Peter Williams, your grandson. Is that correct? Have you lost your mind, lady? Okay. Let me give you his case number. Do you have a pen and paper available? Yes. It’s DLikeDog, that stands for docket number, Dash64010030. K. Do you want me to repeat that? No. I’ve got it. 64010030. Correct. Now on the envelope where you’re going to put the funds in, you need to put his name outside of the envelope and under his name, the case number. Okay. Go ahead and do that now. Okay. Hello? I’m here. Yes. I got it. I wrote it on there. Okay. Now in that envelope, you wanna make sure you place the 4,000 in there. You may you have to make sure that it’s sealed. Okay. Hello? I’m here. Can you hear me? Yes. Okay. Now you’re going to do a self addressed envelope. Meaning, you’re gonna put your name and your address on that envelope. That is for your refund process. Okay. I understand. Okay. If you have one of those sticky, um, mailing address labels, you can actually use one of those as long as it shows your name and the address clearly. Okay. I’ll do that. I’ve got those. Alright. Okay. Now, uh, you need to do this while we’re on the recording so they know that I provided the correct information to you and that you are taking care of this. So I can stop the process of them sending him to the correctional facility. Well, I’m doing it as we’re as we’re talking about. I don’t wanna rush you. I don’t wanna sound pushy or anything. I’m just, you know, here to help you. Okay? Yes. I understand. I’ve got the envelopes ready. Hello? I’m right here, ma’am. What are you waiting for? Okay. On the, um, Manila envelope in the outside, I need you to write your name and your full address. And then in the middle, you’re gonna put Peter’s name and his case number. Okay. And and under that, you’re going to write legal documents. Legal documents. Case documents. Doing now is letting them know so we can stop the process of them transferring him to the correctional facility. Okay. Okay? Let me place you on a brief hold. Let me get the information of where you need to go to make this payment or if they have someone available from the messaging service. Okay? Okay. Thank you. Thank you for holding. I apologize for the hold time. I was actually speaking, um, to another client and at the same time to the financial department. They’re trying to check to see if we have someone available in the messaging service. So, um, I do apologize, but it’s gonna take a little bit longer. Okay? But I am I’m here working with you. Do not think that I’m not helping you. I’m working here with you. Okay? Alright. You want me to call you back, or you want me to stay on the phone or what? No. I want you yes. I want you to please hold on on the line here. Okay? Let me place you on hold again. Great. And let’s see. I I I do. I apologize. I understand. It’s just because we’re almost at the hours already, ma’am, so it is taking a little bit longer. Well, you take your time to talk to other people instead of handling my case. No wonder it’s taking forever. Right. I understand. But they’re also speaking to other people as well. So I do apologize for all the times that I have to place you on hold, but just hold on just a little bit longer for me. Okay? And I’m sorry to be inconvenient. Where where are you located? I’m sorry? Where are you located? I’m at the, uh, Bedford County Circuit Court House, ma’am. 102, um, Rabat Street. Okay? Let me place you on a brief hold because they’re calling you on a Monday. We do apologize. That’s not true. Where are you located? Don’t lie to me, lady. Oh, she hung up, Abby. My Mc defender’s office. How may I help you? Yes. I need to speak to Michelle Welch, please. Who? Michelle Welch. Please hold. Attorney Michelle Welch speaking. How may I help you? Yes. Miss attorney Michelle Welch, don’t lie to me, lady. Hello? You’re breaking up. Who do I have the pleasure of speaking to? This is Sarah Williams. You know who it is. Oh, missus Williams. I apologize. We got disconnected. Yeah. We sure did. Don’t lie to me, lady. I’m sorry. Say that again. I said don’t lie to me, lady. Where are you located? I’m at 102 Road, ma’am, at the Hartford County Circuit Courthouse. Liar. Tell me the truth. That’s where I’m at, ma’am. I’m at the county courthouse. Why don’t you have a local phone number? Because I use my personal number because I’m in and out the courtroom, ma’am. I don’t sit on my desk all day long. I have a lot of cases. You’re a liar. Why would you say that, ma’am? Well, you sound stupid as hell to begin with, and then you call me from a phone number that isn’t local. And then you’re so stupid you can’t even pronounce the name of the town. Don’t lie to me. She hung up on me again and then won’t take my call. So guess what? Her number’s getting reported. The number you are trying to reach is no longer in service. Okay. They never called me back from a new number. Remember, the address I gave them was fake. Their plan was to send a courier. It could be an unsuspecting Uber driver. It could be a member of their group. That first address they gave me was a gas station. Uh, if it was close enough to my house, they would have sent me there to deposit money into a Bitcoin machine. That’s what I think anyway. Please make sure the grandparents in your life know about this scam. It comes in a number of varieties. This, uh, scam group uses basically the same story on all of theirs as far as I can tell. Be safe. Love you guys. I appreciate you all so much. 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